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	<title>Comments on: Why don&#8217;t they add seats to the House?</title>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://democraticpiece.com/2008/01/08/why-dont-they-add-seats-to-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve dealt with space before. The current chamber only &lt;a href=&quot;http://clerk.house.gov/art_history/art_artifacts/virtual_tours/statuary_hall/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dates back&lt;/a&gt; to the days of Henry Clay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve dealt with space before. The current chamber only <a href="http://clerk.house.gov/art_history/art_artifacts/virtual_tours/statuary_hall/index.html" rel="nofollow">dates back</a> to the days of Henry Clay.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Adams</title>
		<link>http://democraticpiece.com/2008/01/08/why-dont-they-add-seats-to-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we all forgetting the issue with desks? Last time I looked at a picture of the house floor, it was pretty full. Perhaps some could telecommute?

Note sarcasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we all forgetting the issue with desks? Last time I looked at a picture of the house floor, it was pretty full. Perhaps some could telecommute?</p>
<p>Note sarcasm.</p>
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		<title>By: MSS</title>
		<link>http://democraticpiece.com/2008/01/08/why-dont-they-add-seats-to-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>MSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, I am glad that Jack has raised this issue here.

And it is nice of Bob to reference my academic work. I have also looked at the cube root and applicability to the US at F&amp;V:

&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://fruitsandvotes.com/?p=51&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reapportionment--a better way?&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

There are some follow-up posts grafted (er, linked) at the bottom of that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, I am glad that Jack has raised this issue here.</p>
<p>And it is nice of Bob to reference my academic work. I have also looked at the cube root and applicability to the US at F&amp;V:</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://fruitsandvotes.com/?p=51" rel="nofollow">Reapportionment&#8211;a better way?</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>There are some follow-up posts grafted (er, linked) at the bottom of that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Sanders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the replies, it&#039;s been a fun visit!  If I knew the cube root rule I&#039;d forgotten it, but looking at the history and the comparative examples in the link the logic seems to be solid enough.  I may check out that paper Bob, sounds interesting.  

Also, out of curiosity, I checked the size of Indonesia&#039;s lower house, at 550 and with a lower population than the U.S. they manage to keep to the rule better than we do.

I&#039;d guess the pace of expansion stopped after we slowed in adding new states.  According to the link, the last expansion was in 1912 when New Mexico and Arizona were added.  If those two had more than two representatives at the start, it might explain why they triggered a bump and Hawaii and Alaska in 1959 didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the replies, it&#8217;s been a fun visit!  If I knew the cube root rule I&#8217;d forgotten it, but looking at the history and the comparative examples in the link the logic seems to be solid enough.  I may check out that paper Bob, sounds interesting.  </p>
<p>Also, out of curiosity, I checked the size of Indonesia&#8217;s lower house, at 550 and with a lower population than the U.S. they manage to keep to the rule better than we do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d guess the pace of expansion stopped after we slowed in adding new states.  According to the link, the last expansion was in 1912 when New Mexico and Arizona were added.  If those two had more than two representatives at the start, it might explain why they triggered a bump and Hawaii and Alaska in 1959 didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Linkage and Mentions The Rose Report: The Rose Institute of State and Local Government</title>
		<link>http://democraticpiece.com/2008/01/08/why-dont-they-add-seats-to-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Linkage and Mentions The Rose Report: The Rose Institute of State and Local Government</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Mentions Jack Santucci at The Democratic Piece says: As the 2010 US census nears, redistricting and reapportionment enter the news. CMCâ€™s Rose [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and Mentions Jack Santucci at The Democratic Piece says: As the 2010 US census nears, redistricting and reapportionment enter the news. CMCâ€™s Rose [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Richard</title>
		<link>http://democraticpiece.com/2008/01/08/why-dont-they-add-seats-to-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to Greg&#039;s point, increasing the size of legislative bodies is almost always unpopular with voters, who tend to accept the (wrong) notion that, no matter what problem you&#039;re talking about, adding more politicians cannot be part of the solution to it.

This is too bad, because -- short of PR -- fewer voters per representative is about the only thing that might contribute to making legislative bodies more representative of more than two dominant points of view.

Greg&#039;s statement about practical limits probably doesn&#039;t apply to the federal House.  According to the cube-root rule (reference below), it should have closer to 700 members than 435.  And the California state Assembly (the most extreme example in the U.S.) should have over 300 members instead of the 80 it actually has.

On the theoretical rationale for this, see Rein Taagepera &amp; Matthew Shugart, &lt;strong&gt;Seats &amp; Votes&lt;/strong&gt;, Yale University Press, 1989, pp. 179-182.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to Greg&#8217;s point, increasing the size of legislative bodies is almost always unpopular with voters, who tend to accept the (wrong) notion that, no matter what problem you&#8217;re talking about, adding more politicians cannot be part of the solution to it.</p>
<p>This is too bad, because &#8212; short of PR &#8212; fewer voters per representative is about the only thing that might contribute to making legislative bodies more representative of more than two dominant points of view.</p>
<p>Greg&#8217;s statement about practical limits probably doesn&#8217;t apply to the federal House.  According to the cube-root rule (reference below), it should have closer to 700 members than 435.  And the California state Assembly (the most extreme example in the U.S.) should have over 300 members instead of the 80 it actually has.</p>
<p>On the theoretical rationale for this, see Rein Taagepera &amp; Matthew Shugart, <strong>Seats &amp; Votes</strong>, Yale University Press, 1989, pp. 179-182.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big questions raised. The immediate one: does the cost of marginally diminished individual &quot;influence&quot; outweigh that of lost marginal seats in redistricting years? (I use quotes because influence varies with many factors including seniority, committee appointments, etc.)

Based on one local example, the parties are willing to sacrifice marginal incumbents. One of three D&#039;s in my state&#039;s now-five-member delegation lost his seat in 2002. The Democratic state legislature chose his district as the &#039;corrective,&#039; packing many of his D voters into already safe D districts, forcing him to run weakened against a strong R incumbent. I&#039;m sure there&#039;s more to the story. What state legislators did flies in the face of intuition (i.e. bumping a sitting congressional D, having a majority in the state delegation should the presidential election end up in the House, etc).

I don&#039;t know what arguments are actually used to counter the case for increasing the House, but we &lt;a href=&quot;http://fruitsandvotes.com/?p=51&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;used to do&lt;/a&gt; it fairly regularly.

With respect to the other question, I&#039;d wager legislative &quot;effectiveness&quot; has more to do with rules of procedure than assembly size - to a point, of course.

Thanks for stopping by, Greg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big questions raised. The immediate one: does the cost of marginally diminished individual &#8220;influence&#8221; outweigh that of lost marginal seats in redistricting years? (I use quotes because influence varies with many factors including seniority, committee appointments, etc.)</p>
<p>Based on one local example, the parties are willing to sacrifice marginal incumbents. One of three D&#8217;s in my state&#8217;s now-five-member delegation lost his seat in 2002. The Democratic state legislature chose his district as the &#8216;corrective,&#8217; packing many of his D voters into already safe D districts, forcing him to run weakened against a strong R incumbent. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s more to the story. What state legislators did flies in the face of intuition (i.e. bumping a sitting congressional D, having a majority in the state delegation should the presidential election end up in the House, etc).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what arguments are actually used to counter the case for increasing the House, but we <a href="http://fruitsandvotes.com/?p=51" rel="nofollow">used to do</a> it fairly regularly.</p>
<p>With respect to the other question, I&#8217;d wager legislative &#8220;effectiveness&#8221; has more to do with rules of procedure than assembly size &#8211; to a point, of course.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by, Greg.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Sanders</title>
		<link>http://democraticpiece.com/2008/01/08/why-dont-they-add-seats-to-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d guess that raising the number of people in the house decreases to a degree the power of every member of the House.  Seniority matters of course, but I don&#039;t think it matters as much as in the Senate.

So while Gerrymander is an essentially free form of incumbent protection, raising the size of the House imposes a cost on all members.  I&#039;d think this is probably for the best, there&#039;s probably practical limits on how large a representative body can be while still being effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d guess that raising the number of people in the house decreases to a degree the power of every member of the House.  Seniority matters of course, but I don&#8217;t think it matters as much as in the Senate.</p>
<p>So while Gerrymander is an essentially free form of incumbent protection, raising the size of the House imposes a cost on all members.  I&#8217;d think this is probably for the best, there&#8217;s probably practical limits on how large a representative body can be while still being effective.</p>
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